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So I'm considering Paldo for a few applications...
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 So I'm considering Paldo for a few applications...
Junior Mitglied
 
 
 
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Well, I'm an Archer and staying that way, but I'm finding a need for Gnome in a few situations. I've tried it on Arch, and also Ubuntu; but Arch's Gnome builds suck; and Ubuntu boots far too slow, with it's default install just seeming a mess to me (and the server install offers little relief, given the heavy package splitting). So I come to Paldo, among a few others like Onebase.

But I'm on dialup, and can't just download ISO's indiscriminately.

I'm basically wanting a good clean Gnome installation that's ready for me to integrate the applications and interface into. Is there an option to install a fairly light base without things like Openoffice and Evolution? Those are just examples, but in at least once case Abiword, Gnumeric, and Sylpheed 1.99 are preferred.

The boot speed... just please tell me it's faster than Debian.

Oh, and I've been spoiled by Arch's init system, with the extreme simplicity of rc.conf. I don't know if you folks are familiar with Arch, but could someone give me a quick rundown of your inits?
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Created: 2005-06-11 09:32
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 Re: So I'm considering Paldo for a few application
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You can of course install only a subset of the "paldo" meta package. The easiest way is at the moment probably to install "paldo-base" first and then add further packages / meta packages as needed. But due to frequent package upgrades you may not be that satisfied on dialup... and please note that the ISOs currently available on this web page are not installation CDs in the sense that they include the binaries to install a new system, they will download everything as needed. Full installation CDs/DVDs are relatively easy to create on a paldo system but are not available for download ATM.

Due to the fact that we usually only include one application per task, there is no Abiword or Gnumeric in paldo stable and testing - although they are in unstable for testing purposes. But you may of course add your own packages, it's not difficult to do so.

Booting paldo seems to be faster than in a default Debian installation but I don't have figures at hand.

Our init system doesn't use the traditional SysV rcX.d/{S,K}* symlinks. We use our own dependency-based system based on LSB-compliant init scripts. To change the default runlevels you may edit the files in /etc/init.d directly. For servers there are files in /etc/default to control whether to start the daemon at all.
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Created: 2005-06-12 11:25
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 Re: So I'm considering Paldo for a few application
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Hi there

I want to be honest: I'd say using paldo with a dialup connection is perhapps not the best idea (except u have a special > 64/128k dialup). We built our distro in mind that there are broadband internet connections. Some of our packages even include debuging inforamtion, especially the gnome ones, to make debugging them easier.

You wont get around installing "paldo-base". This base package is needed and installs, due to build and run dependencies, many packages you wont expect in a base system. E.g. tetex, needed to build ifupdown; X.org, their libs are needed by some apps (since x gets modularised this will improve). Since we don't split packages, the whole dependency gets installed. After having installed paldo-base you can pretty much pick out any additional software you like.

If you run into problems, post them here.
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Created: 2005-06-13 10:05
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 Re: So I'm considering Paldo for a few application
Junior Mitglied
 
 
 
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Well, I'm not afraid of running it on a dialup connection. My ISP plan is for unlimited hours, and the call is local so their isn't a per minute phone charge. Actually, the Arch developers say the same thing, and I update my system 1-3 times a week depending on the updates, anywhere from 1-100MB per update. I'm patient, the only distro that's given me bandwidth problems is Gentoo, and that's before I discovered I could just download the source before I build.

And installs don't worry me much. I'm spoiled by the ease of Arch's install, but once it's installed it's there. Does upkg have a dist-upgrade type functionality? Or do you have a rolling current? Or when you release a new version do you pretty much have to pop in the CD again?

But anyway...
Updating isn't much of an issue anyway. I'm interested in Paldo for two cases. First is my parents' computer, just a simple web and word processing system with an extremely simplified interface. Whatever I choose I'll be modifying enough with source builds and interface tweaks that I won't sync their packages more than twice a year.

Second is possibly for the owner's system at work. We're currently shopping POS systems, and if we can find a GNU based system that plays nicely with GNU Cash we'll go into testing with that. Otherwise we'll stick with Intuit and Microsoft software, which I desperately want to get away from. Again, this is a case where I'll customize the package set and interface just enough that constant package syncs aren't sane since we're just a lowly print shop. We're probably looking at a quartely update here, maybe skipping winter when it's busy.

But anyway... (take two)
What I'm really looking for is an excellent base install of Gnome, this is what Arch lacks with muddled defaults (in this one case, anyway). All I want is the bare minimum of Gnome apps with the ability to add on as I need, compiling from source where necessary.

I did download a couple CD's at work on Saturday when nobody was watching, and attempted to install 1.2 stable on a spare partition of my parents'. Unfortunately I had some issues with their PCI modem (my stupidity, I realize now, Ubuntu led me astray as to the ttyS). I'll be trying again as I merge an Athlon 900 with a burnt out motherboard I sniped from work, and a dual Xeon 550 barebones my brother is sending me.

We'll see what happens, but Paldo is looking promising. Maybe my impression is more for the future. But that's what's really important, eh?

Excuse my rambling, this is what happens when I sit down with a good bottle of Riesling :P
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Created: 2005-06-17 06:08
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 Re: So I'm considering Paldo for a few application
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The stable branch of paldo gets released every 3 months, the testing branch has a rolling current. upkg is able to do minor and major upgrades without using extra options, it should just work.

GNU Cash is currently not in paldo but as there is no similar package already included, we can add it if that helps you.
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Created: 2005-06-18 16:34
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